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[212.85.158.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w51si4339963wew.28.2012.05.15.10.20.40; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org designates 212.85.158.146 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.85.158.146; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org designates 212.85.158.146 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Received: by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix, from userid 486) id 1197F44557; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:20:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC42F44485 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:20:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mageia.org Authentication-Results: alamut.mageia.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Received: from alamut.mageia.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (alamut.mageia.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id yxe9WzUWFOei for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:20:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com (mail-we0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED3A440B0 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:20:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by werc12 with SMTP id c12so3354284wer.22 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:20:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D+DBFLlMfvSmsYCzfH1HmW9HgTKKlsPuYeUuxL/TEnM=; b=XfZcTkQo28FbmU1Zs2JOheqemOQl65OVcBH3uV4pOa4KAZTrB8UuAK7vKnuIdTsECr BbT4oSmgbSX7IgKTlzbmGAWJocNqy/LGRoMuU5p2IGG+/OBO0WfeS8IdyjcY5vhZosRF Vf5a7FPyUwr7hM29ghwIoKT3BsM0NRk74elBCExOSHjAITZyc2/NNyslAYhXvky2uzz2 Zh3R96PPTS/HnRpZ9QQuH14Gqu8/QZ9cPUTrfi6bH2pHCx/w6Haof07XO6T87ilEZB5W E03nI6aeHob6B+hylyOCVj8EJMc6I58fbWn1sua2dkdPJu4RslB+z2q//df8QIwkOk99 x4oA== Received: by 10.180.102.3 with SMTP id fk3mr10332653wib.9.1337102433109; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:20:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.13.143 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:20:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FB236A7.2020804@damsweb.net> References: <4FB21289.2060902@gmail.com> <20120515104337.GK21938@mars-attacks.org> <4FB234EA.6020508@googlemail.com> <4FB236A7.2020804@damsweb.net> From: "Romain d'Alverny" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:20:02 +0200 Message-ID: To: board-private@ml.mageia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [board-private] Another mail from Mandriva X-Loop: board-private@ml.mageia.org X-Sequence: 48 Errors-to: board-private-owner@ml.mageia.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: board-private-request@ml.mageia.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Here's a copy of the answer sent to JM Croset a few minutes ago. Translation first, original below. Dear Jean-Manuel, thank you very much for this information and this invitation. Without regret or disdain, after discussion with other board members, I can tell you that we are not interested in joining this workgroup. - Mageia would have been the ideal collaboration hub for such an entity, to join and grow, precisely to play such a role; but it did not happen, probably because our governance rules don't fit [Mandriva's] Supervisory Board; so be it. We will not walk another road, this very governance has been defined as it is for very specific reasons. - we spent a lot of time, energy, conversations, to define Mageia on several levels. And we went on producing stuff, and regularly put things back to work. - we don't have much information about trends behind the future entity, what are the goals of each of the potential participants. Ours are public and clear since day 1. - we don't have the means (neither the wish) to disperse further our (small) means on a new thing to define and build, we think our priorities are elsewhere at this point. - this won't prevent each of us to collaborate, since our tools and technos will be Free Software. Feel free to share the above reasons, they will be the same if we are asked why we chose not to participate. And we wish you good luck, and temper, for this endeavour. ---- Cher Jean-Manuel, merci beaucoup de votre invitation et de cette information. Sans regret ni d=E9dain, apr=E8s discussion et m=FBre r=E9flexion avec les membres du bureau, je peux vous informer que nous ne sommes pas int=E9ress=E9s =E0 participer =E0 ce groupe de travail. - Mageia nous aurait sembl=E9, a priori, id=E9al, comme hub de collaboration =E0 investir et grossir, pour remplir pr=E9cis=E9ment le r=F4= le d'une telle entit=E9 ; mais cela n'a pas eu lieu, probablement parce que le mode de gouvernance (point cl=E9 s'il en est) ne convient pas au Conseil de Surveillance ; dont acte. Nous ne nous engagerons pas sur une autre voie, cette gouvernance a =E9t=E9 d=E9finie pour des raisons tr= =E8s pr=E9cises. - nous avons investi beaucoup de temps, d'=E9nergie, de discussions, =E0 d=E9finir Mageia, sur plusieurs plans. Et puis nous sommes pass=E9s =E0 l'=E9tape de production, et remettons r=E9guli=E8rement les choses =E0 plat= . - nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'information sur les tendances qui se dessinent derri=E8re cette future entit=E9, quels sont les objectifs et les buts des uns et des autres. Les n=F4tres sont clairs et publics depuis le 1er jour. - nous n'avons donc pas les moyens (ni le souhait) de disperser davantage nos (encore faibles) moyens sur une nouvelle entit=E9 =E0 d=E9finir et construire, car nous pensons que nos priorit=E9s sont ailleurs =E0 ce stade. - cela n'emp=EAchera pas, =E0 l'avenir, de collaborer sur le plan technique, puisque nos outils et technos respectives seront libres. Voil=E0. Sentez-vous libre de transmettre ces raisons, elles seront au c=9Cur de nos r=E9ponses si l'on nous pose la question de notre non-participation =E0 votre initiative. Et nous vous souhaitons bonne chance, et de l'=E9nergie, pour cette entrepr= ise. Bien cordialement, Romain d'Alverny